Question:
Why didn't Frodo fly to Mordor?!?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Why didn't Frodo fly to Mordor?!?
Sixteen answers:
Lord Bearclaw of Gryphon Woods
2012-10-03 11:49:13 UTC
The Eagles are not normal creatures. They are scions of the Second World, that of Valinor. Their ancestor was an angelic spirit, a Maia, that took the form of a giant eagle in the Days before Days, in much the same way that the spiders of Mirkwood and Shelob the Great were children of Ungoliant, a massive spider-Maia that dwelt in Valinor before the Days of the Sun and Moon and that helped Morgoth poison the Two Trees and steal the Silmarils.



Maia that dwell in Middle-Earth at the time of the War of the Ring are Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast, Tom Bombadil, the Balrog, Sauron, and possibly the Watcher in the Water, although I believe that it was another descendant of a Maia, one of Ulmo's spirits that took the form of a water-creature like unto a great octopoid.



The Eagles can talk and are quite intelligent. They are the eyes of Manwe, the leader of the Valar, who are archangelic spirits that dwell in Valinor and watch over Middle-Earth from afar. It was Manwe who sent the Istari, or the Wizards, to Middle-Earth to inspire the Free Peoples to resist Sauron. Like the Istari, the Eagles are prohibited from interfering directly, and only do so in order to rescue or to help in the direst times - and only then when the Free Peoples have given it their all.



They rescued the dwarves, Bilbo, and Gandalf from the goblins and wargs, but did so only because of their allegiance to Gandalf, who healed their chief from an arrow-wound years earlier, and because they knew he was a Maia.



They participated in the Battle of Five Armies only after the Free Peoples had given it their all and were still losing, and again because Gandalf was present.



Gwaihihr rescued Gandalf from the Tower of Orthanc again for the same reasons he rescued him from the goblins and wargs.



The Eagles participated in the battle in front of the Gates of Mordor for the same reasons they fought in the Battle of Five Armies, and again because Gandalf was present.



So, why didn't Gandalf try to talk the Eagles into flying the Ring to Mount Doom? Because he knew the Eagles would refuse - the Ring was not their burden to bear - it was of Middle-Earth and must be destroyed by those of Middle-Earth. Their mandate from Manwe is one of non-interference.



Edit: the "sulphur" clouds of Mount Doom weren't the issue. It was the fact that the Ringbearer would have had to have landed and then made his way into the Mountain. According to book canon, it took days for Frodo to find the Crack of Doom inside - it wasn't just a "run in the door and toss the ring" kinda trick. By the time he found the correct place the Nazgul would have been on him, as they know the Mountain much better than Frodo could.



Sauron was never described in the book as being an Eye perched visibly on the top of the Barad-Dur (as he was in the movie), he was still yet spiritual in nature, a maleficent Presence that filled the Barad-Dur, unsleeping and always watching. Sauron could see into the shadow world of the spirit, which is why he almost spotted Frodo on the Seat of Seeing on Amon Hen at the Falls of Rauros - Frodo was wearing the Ring at the time, and why he was instantly aware of Frodo when Frodo claimed the Ring inside Mount Doom.



The Nazgul's Fell Beasts were no match for the Eagles in the air, nor were there any "evil things" left in the world that could have challenged them - Smaug the Golden was the last of the great winged dragons to come out of the Withered Heath, far to the North, and Sauron didn't have the time to try to seek out any possible others that might or might not be alive. During the First Age the Eagles joined the Host of the Valar against Morgoth, and they helped Earendil slay Ancalagon the Black, a dragon so mighty that his fall broke a mountain chain.



Edit 2: The Ring's very existence kept Sauron in Middle-Earth. Even without it his armies would have eventually swarmed over Middle-Earth. Had it been buried in the Shire it would have been found when the Shire was eventually overrun and Sauron came there himself. Had it been left in Bombadil's care then as it said in the Council of Elrond, "Bombadil would fall, Last as he was First, and then Night would come." Had it been cast in the Sea it would have came to Sauron's attention eventually. There are things in the depths that would have found the Ring and they would have become slaves to the Ring, bringing it to Sauron or as close as they could.



The point was that Sauron didn't need the Ring to conquer Middle-Earth - his armies were already too large for Gondor to fight off - in fact, had the Ring not been destroyed when it was Aragorn's army would have been wiped out.
Squidmaster
2012-10-03 11:13:22 UTC
Did you not see the sulphur clouds?

No Giant Eagle could fly in that without choking to death on the fumes. They were only able to save Frodo and Sam afterwards when the clouds had started parting.

Also, Flying Nazgul. The Eagles would have been attacked straight away. The only reason they didn't kill Frodo and Sam at the time is because they were all distracted by the whole massive battle thing.
?
2012-10-03 21:47:31 UTC
What's up with this question being asked over and over on Answers lately? Why are so many people interested in cutting the Master's glorious stories short at the Council of Elrond?

Lord BearClaw has the thing nailed down......
anonymous
2012-10-03 20:34:02 UTC
Because he's a Baggins, not some blockheaded Bracegirdle from Hardbottle
jplatt39
2012-10-03 12:11:23 UTC
The whole point of walking is that it was a way to keep out of Sauron's sight for as long as possible. The Eye of Sauron could see many things, and the higher up you were the better it could see you -- to send winged riders towards anything flying towards Mordor. The Eagles didn't go till the ring was destroyed and Sauron disempowered. Got that? If Frodo had flown to Mordor it wouldn't have been much short of putting the ring on his finger and looking into a palantir.
?
2016-10-03 12:58:12 UTC
I agree. One familiar excuse is that Mordor is in basic terms too heavily guarded however the Eagles can fly intense adequate out of attain of the archers then fly over the volcano hollow. it can't be that annoying to pass over as long simply by fact the single Ring by some skill makes it into the fires of Mount Doom. interior the conflict for midsection Earth workstation interest the Eagles whilst summoned can do incredibly good harm while you're doing the evil marketing campaign nonetheless hearth arrows will take them out incredibly speedy. How do all of us know it ought to be thrown in Mount Doom and not another volcano of equivalent temperatures or is it simply by fact Mount Doom is the only one lively?
sam
2014-01-28 12:40:01 UTC
It's a year late but I'll answer.

The Lord of The Rings as you probably know is a series of fantasy books which were released as a prequel to The Hobbit.

The film tells very little of the Eagles tale, so one must go to the original books for answers.

Reason 1)

The Great Eagles of Middle Earth are almost angelic beings not just Eagles, like Gandalf they are prohibited to win the War of The Ring they can merely aid it's combatants.

Reason 2)

The Eagles are a noble species and have no real reason to help Gandalf escape the Misty Mountains and Orthanc Tower other than the fact they owe him a favour.

Reason 3)

Though mighty enough to defeat an army of Wargs and Goblins (Orcs) in The Hobbit. The Eagles would be easily killed by Sauron's Nazgul, why would the eagles risk their lives for a Hobbit?

Reason 4)

Larger animals feel the power of the ring more than smaller creatures (eg Smaug the dragon feels the ring on Bilbo and becomes even more angry).



The list goes on and on.
lupinesidhe
2012-10-03 17:48:05 UTC
Seriously? Why didn't they leave the ring with Tom Bombadil? Or why not just bury it somewhere in the shire? Or take it to the sea?
anonymous
2012-10-03 11:53:27 UTC
Didn't have wings...of course.
Liam
2012-10-03 11:13:41 UTC
It would be too much of a short story.



And that seems rather lazy.
Mr. Marc
2012-10-03 11:16:20 UTC
I totally agree with you, why wouldnt he just fly there? I havent seen Lord of the Rings in quite a while, but i belive that the orcish army was stationed there at the time, remember that when he is flying out of mordor on the eagle, his other companions are fighting to the death below. Im sure it was the stealthy aspect of hiking a couple thousand miles to mordor, rather than just flying close to it, then sneaking in instead. He could have easily done that right?
Kajika
2012-10-03 12:52:08 UTC
Because Gandalf wanted Frodo to man up a bit? Bilbo carried the ring for ages and went all the way to the lonely mountain without any trouble! Also the Eagle's are a proud race and wouldn't appreciate people riding on them, there are also lots of evil things after them so they wouldn't want to risk many getting killed whilst transporting them. When it was all over and safe they decided to help out :D
?
2012-10-03 11:32:42 UTC
It might be 10 times easier but that would make the movies 10 times shorter as well. :)



There's actually a 'How It Should Have Ended' video on YouTube about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU
Mike
2012-10-03 11:14:13 UTC
Yeah I have also thought about this but I suppose it would be a pretty **** book/movie if that was the case lol
Brian J
2012-10-03 11:43:15 UTC
I like the books too....



But there are various logical inconsistencies in the books. This is but one.
Adam
2012-10-03 11:32:55 UTC
pickles/ ice cream/


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