Is the Goetia Grimoire Real?

Question

Is the Goetia Grimoire Real?

Answer 1

Real Grimoire

Answer 2

i personally believe that the Goetia is real. the ring could have been lost or destroyed at any point in time. demons are NOT fallen angels. they are demons. fallen angels come from heaven that fell, demons were created by elementals amongst other things. and angel has to ask permission for possession while a demon only has to break your mind. A Jinn/Djin is like a gini in some since. they can offer a wish, but usually turns out really bad, like in 'Wishmaster". and they are not your Aladdin gini's, they are cruel, vicious and hate humanity, hence some of why they are desert dwellers. i haven't read the Pseudomonarchia but it is one on my list to gets. i do have the Goetia and the demons in there are very real. i've read some of Crowley's work and so has my husband and from what i know and from what he knows that's been passed down through his family both are supposedly quite legit. just depends on what you believe in that allows you to accept or deny the facts in the books. im sure there are lots are personal beliefs in the books and that might be where some differences come into play.

Answer 3

The Original Gods [Demons] were unjustly labeled as monsters and branded as "evil" to keep humanity from spiritual knowledge. Because of this, the human race has drastically degenerated both spiritually and intellectually.



Christianity was invented to remove spiritual and occult knowledge (the powers of the mind) from the populace and place this power in the hands of a "chosen" few to the detriment of all humanity. The powers of the mind and soul are very real. People who are unaware of or who do not believe in these powers are easy to control and manipulate by those who are skilled in using these energies.

Answer 4

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.



Goetia is not a grimoire. It is the section of the Lemegeton dealing with a type of spirit; but that's just a nitpick.



You won't find histoircal evidence it is "real," because in that sense it is not. It is based off a legend- namely the legend of Suleiman having bound the power of 72 evil spirits to build the Temple and other such things. It's an Arab myth, but also has some roots in Hebrew legends.



Theurgical spirits are spirits related to theurgy- specifically "Divine spirits." It's really just a descriptor- the alternative would be "Thaumatugrical spirits," or those that work miracles.



"The Goetia only discusses Demons. "



Correct. Other grimoires deal with other types, but Goetia is concerned with demons. Note, that many of them are corruptions of old pagan deities from the Middle East that were branded as demons when Christianity got popular. If you are looking for non-demonic evocation, try The Greater Key of Solomon, but Goetia is better for people who don't own mines or have servants.



". I also have a hard time with the concept that Demons are nothing more than fallen Angels."



Some are, some aren't. Depends on the myth. Jewish demons are simply a class of spirit. Demons as fallen angels got popular with Islamic thoughts where you have Ibliss and his Ifrit rebelling against God by not bowing to Adam, and Christianity eventually latched onto that myth for Lucifer.



"What are Jinns then?"



Fire spirits. Usually malignant.



"What about Naga's and Naginis? "



As I recall snake spirits. You could probably call them a type of demon, but I don't know.



"which is very similar to the Goetia, but contains various Demons that are not found in the Goetia."



The Goetia is not a complete encyclopedia. It is supposed to deal with only 72 spirits- many other texts will have more, some of the same, or what not.



"but I am conflicted between fiction and non fiction."



Regard everything as fiction when experience is lacking. Most books in this field are full of crap to lead to dead ends for the profane.



If you want the best version of the Lemegeton, here [Crowley's is actually very poorly done, because of what he had to work with and his age at the time] http://english.grimoar.cz/?Loc=book&Lng=2&Back=nam&UID=1979



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