Question:
was king arthur roman,paegan,viking,ghoul or all?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
was king arthur roman,paegan,viking,ghoul or all?
21 answers:
2007-06-24 04:26:25 UTC
You really need to get out more. Don't base your impressions of the world on what some Hollywood producer decides will sell a movie.

There are very many studies on the truth of the King Arthur legend.

Try reading up on the Venerable Bede he was the Pulp novelist of his day who just so hapens to have been the first person to write down the King Arthur Legend.



Maybe in 700 years time Muppets like yourself will be asking if the Harry Potter Legend is true or not.
Zappster (Deep Thunker)
2007-06-24 04:36:14 UTC
evidence suggests that he was actually Welsh, when the Romans left they took all the horses and cattle and Arther and his mates were only a few to have horses so went round bashing everyone up, not so round table-ish eh
2007-06-25 12:48:50 UTC
At the moment it seems doubtful a man called Arthur even existed. A lot of work has been carried out to try to confirm if he did or did not exists. If he did he it is thought he was born in Cornwall at Tintagel. When archeologist's were working at Tintagel a small tablet of slate was found with the name Arthur scratched in it. Although interesting it still does not prove this relates to a King Arthur.
Kat Moonsstar
2007-06-24 14:05:00 UTC
according to the book that I read, King Arthur was Anglo-Saxon. He was a Pagan but converted to Christianity
Con Rad
2007-06-24 10:54:14 UTC
Arthur, it seems, is claimed as the King of nearly every Celtic Kingdom known. The 6th century certainly saw many men named Arthur born into the Celtic Royal families of Britain but, despite attempts to identify the great man himself amongst them, there can be little doubt that most of these people were only named in his honour. Princes with other names are also sometimes identified with "Arthwyr" which is thought by some to be a title similar to "Vortigern".



Breton King

Geoffrey of Monmouth recorded Arthur as a High-King of Britain. He was the son of his predecessor, Uther Pendragon and nephew of King Ambrosius. As a descendant of High-King Eudaf Hen's nephew, Conan Meriadoc, Arthur's grandfather, had crossed the Channel from Brittany and established the dynasty at the beginning of the 5th century. The Breton King Aldrien had been asked to rescue Britain from the turmoil in which it found itself after the Roman administration had departed. He sent his brother, Constantine, to help. Constantine appears to have been the historical self-proclaimed British Emperor who took the last Roman troops from Britain in a vain attempt to assert his claims on the Continent in 407. Chronologically speaking, it is just possible he was King Arthur's grandfather. Arthur's Breton Ancestry was recorded by Gallet.



Riothamus the King

Geoffrey Ashe argues that King Arthur was an historical King in Brittany known to history as Riothamus, a title meaning "Greatest-King". His army is recorded as having crossed the channel to fight the Visigoths in the Loire Valley in 468. Betrayed by the Prefect of Gaul, he later disappeared from history. Ashe does not discuss Riothamus' ancestry. He, in fact, appears quite prominently in the pedigree of the Kings of DomnonŽe, dispite attempts to equate him with a Prince of Cornouaille named Iaun Reith. Riothamus was probably exiled to Britain during one of the many civil wars that plagued Brittany. He later returned in triumph to reclaim his inheritance, but was later killed in an attempt to expel Germanic invaders. The main trouble with this Arthurian identification is that it pushes King Arthur back fifty years from his traditional period at the beginning of the sixth century (See Ashe 1985).



Dumnonian King

Welsh tradition also sees Arthur as High-King of Britain but tends to follow the genealogies laid down in the Mostyn MS117 and the Bonedd yr Arwr. These show Arthur as grandson of Constantine but, this time, he is Constantine Corneu, the King of Dumnonia. Traditional Arthurian legend records three Kings of Dumnonia during Arthur's reign: Constantine's son, Erbin; grandson, Gereint and great grandson, Cado. Nowhere is there any indication that these three were closely related to Arthur, nor that he had any claim on the Dumnonian Kingdom. Nor is their any explanation as to why a Dumnonian prince would have been raised to the High-Kingship of Britain. Arthur's connection with this area of Britain is purely due to his supposedly being conceived at Tintagel, the residence of his mother's first husband, and buried at Glastonbury, the most ancient Christian site in the country.



Cumbrian King

The Clan Campbell trace their tribal pedigree back to one Arthur ic Uibar: the Arthur son of Uther of tradition. Norma Lorre Goodrich uses this fact to argue that Arthur was a "Man of the North". This idea was first proposed by the Victorian Antiquary, W.F.Skene, and there is some evidence to recommend it, especially the possible northern location of Nennius' twelve battles. Goodrich places Arthur's Court at Carlisle. As the capital of the Northern British Kingdom of Rheged, this seems an unlikely home for Arthur, who was not of this dynasty. Prof. Goodrich relies heavily on late medieval literary sources and draws imaginative conclusions. (See Goodrich 1986 & Skene 1868).



Pennine King

There was a Northern British King named Arthwys who lived in the previous generation to the traditional Arthur. He was of the line of Coel Hen (the Old) and probably ruled over a large Kingdom in the Pennines. Many of Nennius' Arthurian Battles are often said to have taken place in the Northern Britain. These and other northern stories associated with the King Arthur may, in reality, have been relating the achievements of this near contemporary monarch.



King of Elmet

Another Northern British Arthwys was the son of Masgwid Gloff, probably a King of the Elmet region of modern West Yorkshire. Nothing is known of this Prince who was exactly contemporary with the real King's traditional period. Though it is unlikely that he held his own kingdom, his exploits may have contributed to King Arthur's story.



Scottish King

The Scots, though fresh from Ireland, also used the name Arthur for a Royal Prince. Artur, the son of King Aidan of Dalriada, was probably born in the 550s. David F. Carroll has recently argued that this man was the real Arthur, ruling Manau Gododdin from Camelon (alias Camelot) in Stirlingshire. Details can be found on the author's web site. (Carroll 1996)



Powysian King

Graham Phillips and Martin Keatman identify Arthur as Owain Ddantwyn (White-Tooth), a late 5th century Prince of the House of Cunedda (more specifically of Gwynedd). Their arguments, however, are wholly unconvincing, and contain many unresolved discrepancies. Owain's son, Cuneglasus (known from Welsh pedigrees as Cynlas) was among the five Celtic Kings condemned in the writings of Gildas.



Through a misinterpretation of this account, Keatman & Phillips imply that Cuneglasus was the son of one Arth, ie. Arthur. They further claim that he, and therefore his father, Owain, before him, must have ruled Powys, as this is the only Kingdom un-reconciled with Gildas' Kings. However, Cynlas lived at Din Arth in Rhos. He was not the son of Arth. In traditional Welsh manner the Kingdom of Gwynedd had been divided between his father, Owain, who received Eastern Gwynedd (ie. Rhos) and his uncle, Cadwallon Lawhir (Long-Hand) who took the major Western portion. During this period, Cyngen Glodrydd (the Renowned) was ruling Powys. He was probably the Aurelius Caninus mentioned by Gildas. (See Phillips & Keatman 1992).



Rhos King

A much simpler and thoroughly more convincing thesis from Mark Devere Davies suggests that Arthur may have been Cuneglasus himself. I can do no better than recommend you to the author's website.



Dyfed King

A King Arthwyr ruled in Dyfed in the late 6th century. He was the son of King Pedr ap Cyngar, but little else is known of him. Though he was probably merely named after the great man, it is possible that some of his accomplishments may have become attached to the traditional legend.



Glamorgan King

Baram Blackett & Alan Wilson have theorised that the legendary King Arthur was an amalgam of two historical characters: Anwn (alias Arthun), the British King who conquered Greece and Athrwys (alias Arthwys) the King of Glywyssing and Gwent. Arthun was a son of the British Emperor Magnus Maximus, who lived in the late 4th century. He is better known as Anwn (alias Dynod) and his title of King of Greece is generally thought to be a misreading of his Latin name, Antonius Gregorius. He actually ruled much of South Wales. Arthwys of Glwyssing & Gwent is widely accepted as a seventh century King who lived in South-East Wales. His home in the traditional Arthurian region around Caerleon is part of this man's attraction. Blackett & Wilson argue, not unconvincingly, that he really lived in the early 6th century and that his father, King Meurig was called "Uther Pendragon", a title meaning Wonderful Commander. They also make the important assertion that Arthur lived, not in Cerniw (ie. Cornwall), but in Cernyw (ie. Glywyssing). (See Blackett & Wilson 1980).



St. Arthmael the King

Like Blackett & Wilson, Chris Barber & David Pykitt identify the King Arthur with King Athrwys of Glywyssing & Gwent. However, here the similarity stops, for there are important differences in the identification of people, places and events. Their major addition is the supposition that after Camlann, Arthur/Athrwys abdicated and retired to Brittany where he became an important evangeliser. He was known as St. Armel (or Arthmael) and his shrine can still be seen at St.Armel-des-Boschaux. Their ideas have much to commend them and make compelling reading. (See Barber & Pykitt 1993).



Roman King

It has been suggested, many times over the years, that King Arthur may have been a descendant of one Lucius Artorius Castus: a theme most recently taken up by P.J.F. Turner. Castus was an historical 2nd century Dalmatian general stationed in Britain who commanded the Roman auxiliary troops, known as Sarmations, on an expedition to crush an uprising in Armorica. It is highly unlikely that the two had any connection with each other. (See Turner 1993).





And Many More Claimed to have a King Arthur too.
Lindsay Jane
2007-06-24 08:48:06 UTC
He was Welsh or Cornish. He was a Pagan but developed into a Christian Celt.
Norman W
2007-06-24 08:39:21 UTC
Arthur was a Celt and most likely an early Christian convert. Latest scholastic thought is that he had his capital in Caerel (Carlisle), following the Roman Empire's retreat from these shores.
Doug S
2007-06-24 04:21:51 UTC
do you mean Gaul?
garik
2007-06-24 04:32:27 UTC
Assuming there was a real man behind the legend (though clearly nothing like what the mediaeval legend depicts), he would presumably have been some sort of leader of Romano-Britons. The stories place him after the Roman Empire had abandoned Britain: those left behind would have been descended from speakers of Celtic languages and some others brought over with the Romans. The main language they would have spoken was Brythonic, which still lives today in its descendants: Welsh, Breton and Cornish. Presumably there would have been a reasonable knowledge of Latin, and perhaps Greek, among some sectors of the population.



His enemies were the Germanic invaders: the Saxons, the Angles, the Jutes and so on. Linguistically at least, these were the ancestors of the English (though the modern English are descendants of all these, plus the Romanised Celts, plus Normans and Vikings and so on).



The legend of King Arthur essentially reflects the defeat of Celtic-speaking Britain by English-speaking invaders. We know he lost because English is by far the dominant language in Britain. But the red dragon from Uther's dream is represented on the Welsh flag today.



The Romano-Britons, incidentally, were Christian, while the invaders were pagans, and were viewed as barbarians by the civilised (in the Roman sense) natives of Britain. When the Normans came to conquer England themselves, they co-opted the King Arthur legend as propaganda to help depict themselves as freeing civilised Britain from Saxon savages.
2007-06-24 04:18:33 UTC
King Arthur PenDragon was of Roman British descent son of Uther PenDragon of Roman Welsh Ancient British ancestry

sourse, The Once and future King by T H White (ISBN 0 00 648301 1)
2007-06-26 19:29:04 UTC
King Arthur (sic) was a Roman Briton. It is more than likely that he was a soldier rather than a king. It has been suggested that a son of the King of the Votadini people, who lived in what is now the Scottish Lothians and Northumberland, was employed as a mercenary soldier by the King of Powys. He was a large bear of a man and in an attempt to unite the British tribes who were torn between (i)

maintaining the integrity of Roman Britain or (ii) splitting into self-ruling kingdoms took the Latin word for bear "Ursus" and the British name for bear (?) joined them together to form the word "Arthur". He led the British against the invading Scotti (Irish) and English and won a major battle somewhere near what is now Bath. The success of the English caused many Britons to flee to Brittany where descendants of a Roman British Army had settled. This was Little Britain and their original home became known as Great Britain. Arthur passed into legend and, elevated to kingship and decked out with French chivalric ideas, returned to Britain with the Normans.
2007-06-24 06:13:00 UTC
Most of Europe was still pagan at the time the Arthurian Legend starts to emerge. The legend of Merlin exists both in Scotland and Wales and is later linked to the general legend by the Middle Ages.

It is thought Arthur was a tribal leader in Roman Briton and his story is woven in and built up with a series of other Celtic tales over the years.

in France they have another version of the legends the hero is called Roland and in Spain he is called Orlando.

Geoffrey of Monmouth writes of Uther Pendragon as the third son of Constantine II in his book; The History of the Kings of Britain. Arthur is also detailed here. The book also includes the chapter "The Prophecies of Merlin". This work was produced circa 1136.

It is from this work that Thomas Mallory gets his ideas for the Morte D'Arthur and T.H.White the inspiration for The Once and Future King" trilogy.

France also has its collection of similar traditional tales in guise of Roland, in Spain he is called Orlando.

The probability is he was a local hero, tribal leader. Much of history of the Dark Ages is just that because after the Romans left there was no Central administration or power, the territories reverted to tribal control. So the idea of one who could unite and bring peace to all would have been quite attractive.

He was a man for all nations so whether you make him English , Welsh or Breton he promotes the same principles.

The real root of the story is lost in the mists of time.
dsuzannecline
2007-06-24 04:18:33 UTC
English
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2016-05-19 04:43:24 UTC
I have to admit, I thought I was going to get through this and still be able to add a funny line at the end. But you covered everything. Good job!
2007-06-24 04:18:20 UTC
Probably British who are pagan, viking, ghoul and all.
2007-06-24 04:17:57 UTC
There was no king arthur.



In the myth he is celtic.
2007-06-24 08:34:30 UTC
he was Mexican ,who discovered Britain he he
wacb
2007-06-24 05:03:50 UTC
anglo-saxon
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2007-06-24 04:22:47 UTC
he waz reel
2007-06-24 04:18:58 UTC
He was, and still is, a myth.
2007-06-24 04:18:21 UTC
Illegal immigrant.


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