I can settle the questions about the Shroud of Turin. Do you feel me?

Question

Let us assume for the sake of argument that Jesus really existed. Nowhere in the Bible is he described. He may have been short, fat and bald for all we know. So the resemblance of the picture on the Shroud of Turin to the conventionalized Jesus means nothing, Moreover, the possibility that the shroud dates to Biblical times rather than medieval Italy means nothing. Nothing on the shroud says it was Jesus who was inside. So the shroud proves nothing.


__________________________

Answer 1

Hmmm... new studies proved the the burnt of on the shroud falsed the c14 tests ... new test on similar kind of tissue proved that the error is at last 1300 years...





http://shroudstory.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/5-radiocarbon-c14-sample-not-valid-for-dating-the-shroud-of-turin/



http://it.scribd.com/doc/89994098/Sindone-Errata-Datazione-Al-Carbonio-14



so... now it's all up to you...



you have faith... the shroud is JC image

you nave no faith... the shroud is a fake

Answer 2

The Shroud is doubtfully authentic.The weave of the Tomb of the Shroud fabric, the new study says, casts further doubt on the Shroud of Turin as Jesus' burial cloth.The newfound shroud was something of a patchwork of simply woven linen and wool textiles, the study found. The Shroud of Turin, by contrast, is made of a single textile woven in a complex twill pattern, a type of cloth not known to have been available in the region until medieval times, Gibson said.



Both the tomb's location and the textile offer evidence for the apparently elite status of the corpse, he added. The way the wool in the shroud was spun indicates it had been imported from elsewhere in the Mediterranean—something a wealthy Jerusalem family from this period would likely have done.

@ lorddog your right sorry copied the wrong paragraph

Answer 3

antonio got it exactly right. the fire it was in messed up the carbon dating.

all those experts said many things to "get around the facts".

that the cloth must have been in palistine area at some point.

that the creator of the cloth could have used a method of laying the cloth on a 3d statue and pounding the colors into it.



etc etc



i dont know if it is real or not, doesnt matter either way to me, but i have a strong feeling it is for real.



@post below mine - that article found another shroud called "Tomb of the Shroud " which had the dna of a leper and had nothing to do with the Shroud of Turin. at the end they compare the weave is all.

you misrepresent your information (on purpose??)

Answer 4

The shroud was dated to medieval times by three different labs using Carbon-14 dating. Case closed.

Answer 5

You are correct. The Shroud of Turin proves nothing.



The Vatican does not have an official position on whether the relic is genuinely the cloth Jesus was buried in after being crucified.



"Since it is not a matter of faith, the church has no specific competence to pronounce on these questions," the late Pope John Paul II said in 1998.



====



However we have other proofs that Jesus did exist.



Why is it that:

People accept what pro-Greeks wrote about Greeks.

People accept what pro-Romans wrote about Romans.

But people refuse to accept what pro-Christians wrote about Christians?



Luckily there is an abundance of anti-Christians who wrote about Christ. One example, the (Pagan) Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Jesus Christ, His execution by Pontius Pilate and the persecution of early Christians in Rome in his 109 AD work, "The Annals,"





"Consequently, to get rid of the report (that Nero started the great fire of Rome), Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired."



Book 15, chapter 44 of "The Annals" by Tacitus, translated by Alfred John Church and William Jackson Brodribb http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/annals.11.xv.html



See also Magis Online Encyclopedia of Reason and Faith (Why Believe in Jesus?) http://magischristwiki.org/index.php?title=Why_Believe_in_Jesus%3F#Is_There_Historical_Evidence_for_Jesus.3F



With love in Christ

Answer 6

No way its a fake.



1) The image is photo-negative from a time centuries before photography.

2) The image contains 3D info that does not exist in any painting or photograph, and which proves that the cloth covered a body. 3D image analyzers were invented in the latter half of the 20th century, long after the first appearance of this cloth.

3) The image is forensically accurate (post/pre mortem blood flows are distinguishable, veinous/arterial blood flows are distinguishable, the thumb is turned inwards because a particular nerve has been severed, the nail was through the wrist not the hand, etc etc etc etc.)

4) The wounds from the scourging match the tip of the whip favored by the romans called the "flagrum" People in the middle ages did NOT know this.

5) Pollen from Israel has been found on the cloth, showing that it had at one point in its history been in the area (there is even a high concentration of pollen on the cloth from a flowering THORN plant which ONLY grows in a 50 mile radius of Jerusalem, and which is concentrated by the head)

6) The weave is an ancient style weave for people who had a lot of money.

7) The hair in the back was tied in a kind of pony tail known to be favored by young jewish men at the time of jesus.

8) The cloth measures out in cubits (a unit of measurement used by the jews).

9) There is a length-wise strip of the cloth on the edge which was at one point cut off, and then resown back onto the cloth. The point? The stitching used to resow it matches an extremely rare form of stitching found in the ruins of the ancient Jewish fortress of Masada.

10) For the cloth to have survived the chemicals and putrecence which are produced from a dead body, it MUST have been separated from the dead body no later than 4 days. After that, the decaying body decomposes linens right along with it.

11) The wounds all match those described in the gospels. Puncture wounds in the head (crown of thorns), puncture wounds in the wrists and feet (crucifixion), scourge wounds from a horrible beating (scourging), and a puncture wound in the side (from a roman spear to make sure he was dead).

12) We know from history that there was a shroud in Constantinople that had the image of Jesus' body on it, and which was taken to the city from Edessa in the 6th CAD. This cloth disappears from the historical records in Byzantium after the city is sacked by crusaders.......only for what we now know is the shroud of turin to appear in France a hundred years later in the hands of one of the descendants of the 4th crusade.

13) There is a legend in Edessa about a disciple of Jesus bringing a cloth with the image of Jesus on it.

14) In the 100 years between the sack of constantinople and the first appearance of the Shroud of Turin, historical records show that knights templar worshipped a cloth with the image of a man on it, and used it in their initiation rituals. The first certain owner of the shroud was also a descendant of Knights Templars.

15) The C14 tests, the ONLY piece of scientific evidence which pointed against authenticity, were ruled to be accurate but invalid. Apparently they tested a portion of the cloth which had been mended in the middle ages. Newer cotton fibers were spliced with older linen ones, they were rewoven, and then dyed to match. This came out in the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Thermochimica Acta in 2005, and was later (re)-confirmed by Los Alamos Labs.

16) This extraordinary cloth is the most studied artifact in human history, and it is asserted to have been in the tomb at the precise moment when Jesus' dead body came back to life. This is an inexplicable and extraordinary cloth associated with an allegedly supernatural event. Odd coincidence, yes?

17) To believe this to be the work of a forger, you would have to believe that somebody invented the concept of photography, 3D image analyzers, knew incredible amounts of forensic information centuries before his time, sprinkled pollen from the Holy Land (of the right types of plants) onto the cloth, etc etc etc, TOLD NOT A SOUL, only to hopefully fool people living long long into the future. In two words: NO WAY. (not to mention that he couldn't have possibly checked his work on the photo-neg/3D qualities, since there were no cameras, no photo paper, and no 3D image analyzers. How did he know he got it right?)



check out:

www.shroudstory.com

www.shroud.com



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4210369.stm

Answer 7

There is no doubt that the Shroud Of Turin is a fake no matter how many lies the Holy Roman Catholic Church may tell.....................................

Answer 8

You're sure it wasn't a Forest Gump / smiley face kind of thing?