Question:
who are gog and magog and how do they relate to England?
mystquester
2008-05-14 20:02:39 UTC
who are gog and magog and how do they relate to England?
Nine answers:
Alex
2008-05-14 22:18:43 UTC
The tradition of Gog and Magog (Hebrew גוג ומגוג) begins in the Hebrew Bible with the reference to Magog, son of Japheth, in the Book of Genesis and continues in cryptic prophecies in the Book of Ezekiel (see War of Ezekiel 38-39), which are echoed in the Book of Revelation and in the Qur'an. The tradition is very ambiguous with even the very nature of the entities differing between sources. They are variously presented as men, supernatural beings (giants or demons), national groups, or lands. Gog and Magog occur widely in mythology and folklore.



The earliest known reference to "Gog" and "Magog" together is also in the Bible, in the Book of Ezekiel:



38:2. Son of man, set thy face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,[3]



3. And you shall say; So said the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, Gog, the prince, the head of Meshech and Tubal.[4]

In terms of extra-biblical Jewish tradition, Gog the "prince" has been explained being one of the 70 national angels – of whom all except one, Michael, the guardian angel of Israel , are fallen angels.[citation needed] According to this interpretation, Gog is the angel of a nation called Magog (literally meaning "of Gog" or "from Gog"). Gog in this view represents an apocalyptic coalition of nations arrayed against Israel.



Given this somewhat frightening Biblical imagery, it is somewhat odd that images of Gog and Magog depicted as giants are carried in a traditional procession in the Lord Mayor's Show by the Lord Mayor of the City of London. According to the tradition, the giants Gog and Magog are guardians of the City of London, and images of them have been carried in the Lord Mayor's Show since the days of King Henry V. The Lord Mayor's procession takes place each year on the second Saturday of November.



The Lord Mayor's account of Gog and Magog says that the Roman Emperor Diocletian had thirty-three wicked daughters. He found thirty three husbands for them to curb their wicked ways; they chafed at this, and under the leadership of the eldest sister, Alba, they murdered them. For this crime, they were set adrift at sea; they were washed ashore on a windswept island, which after Alba was called Albion. Here they coupled with demons, and gave birth to a race of giants, among whose descendants were Gog and Magog.[34]



An even older British connection to Gog and Magog appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth's influential 12th century Historia Regum Britanniae, which states that Goemagot was a giant slain by the eponymous Cornish hero Corin or Corineus. The tale figures in the body of unlikely lore that has Britain settled by the Trojan soldier Brutus and other fleeing heroes from the Trojan War. Corineus is supposed to have slain the giant by throwing him into the sea near Plymouth. Wace (Roman de Brut), Layamon (Layamon's Brut) (who calls the giant Goemagog), and other chroniclers retell the story, which was picked up by later poets and romanciers. John Milton's History of Britain gives this version:



The Island, not yet Britain, but Albion, was in a manner desert and inhospitable, kept only by a remnant of Giants, whose excessive Force and Tyrannie had consumed the rest. Them Brutus destroies, and to his people divides the land, which, with some reference to his own name, he thenceforth calls Britain. To Corineus, Cornwall, as now we call it, fell by lot; the rather by him lik't, for that the hugest Giants in Rocks and Caves were said to lurk still there; which kind of Monsters to deal with was his old exercise.

And heer, with leave bespok'n to recite a grand fable, though dignify'd by our best Poets: While Brutus, on a certain Festival day, solemnly kept on that shore where he first landed (Totnes), was with the People in great jollity and mirth, a crew of these savages, breaking in upon them, began on the sudden another sort of Game than at such a meeting was expected. But at length by many hands overcome, Goemagog, the hugest, in hight twelve cubits, is reserved alive; that with him Corineus, who desired nothing more, might try his strength, whom in a Wrestle the Giant catching aloft, with a terrible hugg broke three of his Ribs: Nevertheless Corineus, enraged, heaving him up by main force, and on his shoulders bearing him to the next high rock, threw him hedlong all shatter'd into the sea, and left his name on the cliff, called ever since Langoemagog, which is to say, the Giant's Leap.

Michael Drayton's Polyolbion preserves the tale as well:



Amongst the ragged Cleeves those monstrous giants sought:

Who (of their dreadful kind) t'appal the Trojans brought

Great Gogmagog, an oake that by the roots could teare;

So mighty were (that time) the men who lived there:

But, for the use of armes he did not understand

(Except some rock or tree, that coming next to land,

He raised out of the earth to execute his rage),

He challenge makes for strength, and offereth there his gage,

Which Corin taketh up, to answer by and by,

Upon this sonne of earth his utmost power to try.



[edit] Gog Magog Hills

Main article: Gog Magog Hills

The Gog Magog Hills are about three miles south of Cambridge, said to be the metamorphosis of the giant after being rejected by the nymph Granta (i.e. the River Cam). The dowser T.C. Lethbridge claimed to have discovered a group of three hidden chalk carvings in the Gogmagog Hills. This alleged discovery is described at length in his book Gogmagog: The Buried Gods [2], in which Lethbridge uses his discoveries to extrapolate a primal deity named 'Gog' and his consort, 'Ma-Gog', which he believed represented the Sun and Moon. Although his discovery of the chalk figures in the Gogmagog Hills has been dogged by controversy, there are similarities between the name and nature of the purported 'Gog' and the Irish deity Ogma, or the Gaulish Ogmios.



The Cambridge molly side, Gog Magog, take their name from these hills.
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2016-11-02 15:23:24 UTC
Gog Magog Hills
jplatt39
2008-05-15 03:28:18 UTC
Gog is an enemy of Israel and Magog is the land from which he comes -- in the Bible.



As for their connection with Britain, that is more complex. Think of the Two Giants Gog and Magog, as having gotten their names from the Bible. Britain has been invaded many times since Caesar did so to suppress the Druid Cult. In fact, just as the Romans claimed descent from the Trojan Prince Aeneas, the story goes that a Trojan Prince Brutus founded Britain -- and in fact that you will find psychics and witches among the families of the British (Welsh) who are identified as Trojans. Robert Graves, who seems to have been thoroughly mad (though I'm not sure that is not a compliment) dealt extensively with legends which gave Greek and Continental origins to British and English traditions in books like the White Goddess and Occupation Writer. Most likely Gog and Magog in Great Britain are the current names of giants in one or more Celtic and/or Germanic tradition believed by some groups who came to form the English Peoples. The Wikipedia has a good article on the subject. Robert Graves, as I said, writes about the background, and the underrated writer Andrew Sinclair wrote a pair of beautiful and funny novels called Gog and Magog which retold the British stories in an updated manner, set after world war ii.
2013-10-18 12:07:02 UTC
Gog and Magogs are humans. They are the most powerful people on earth. They use their power to oppress the people. No one can defeat them except The God Almighty. They are very intelligent and powerfully built. The technologies, weapons etc are researched and made by them to attack the weak and capture other nations. They have the best spy networks. Such people are USA, Britain, Europe's most of the country, Israel & Russia.If other humans become friends with them then they will corrupt them with the worst culture ever the world has witnessed( western culture, gay marriage in US, Uk etc) and if other humans take them as enemies, they will kill them like they killed millions of Indians(during british rule) , Iraq slaughters by USA etc.. But after the arrival of Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him), The God Almighty will ask him to take the true believers to a mountain because of the great war which is going to happen between gogs and magogs and they will be destroyed by The God Almighty.
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2015-08-06 10:11:58 UTC
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RE:

who are gog and magog and how do they relate to England?
?
2016-03-16 02:30:09 UTC
There are a few other countries in that mix, but I do see the bonds and ties between the countries forming now. Whether it happens tomorrow or 100 years down the road, it's going to happen. Turkey has been speculated as one of the countries that will be part of the Gog/Magog war, and the ties are forming now. The US is pissing them off, and they're trying to work with Iran in pushing the Kurds out of Iraq. They're becoming more aggressive, and their newfound tie to Iran could be the same one that leads them into the Gog/Magog war. --------------------------------------... The US seems like it's going to fail on it's own, as the dollar declines because of major problems, and countries like Japan and China starting to sell off their dollars. I don't keep up with all exchange rates, but the Euro has gained much ground against the dollar as of the past year, and the dollar's value has been equal to the Canadian dollar recently (not sure if it still is). But Europe no, the "Revived Roman Empire" aka the EU is probably going to lead the way into the globalization that is to come, as it's already put the idea of countries being in unions in other parts of the world, such as the rumored North American Union. Of course these are all general observations, not actual predictions. The dollar could bounce back as strong as ever, Turkey could cut it's ties with Iran as quickly as they started, and the EU could mind it's own business. Edit to add a break in the answer so as to differentiate actual prophecy with my personal speculations.
roscoedeadbeat
2008-05-14 20:12:11 UTC
Gog and Magog depicted as giants are carried in a traditional procession in the Lord Mayor's Show by the Lord Mayor of the City of London. According to the tradition, the giants Gog and Magog are guardians of the City of London, and images of them have been carried in the Lord Mayor's Show since the days of King Henry V. The Lord Mayor's procession takes place each year on the second Saturday of November.
Adam B
2008-05-14 20:13:38 UTC
gog is satan the devil. magog is a symbolic place that represents where the debased world of mankind gathers to come against Gods people. Has nothing to do with England.
spiritusmundi
2008-05-14 20:19:51 UTC
gog and magog were deities in the ancient middle east . it relates to europe only in the midle ages when various studiers of magic read arabic text while seeking lost knowledge.


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