Question:
why does King Arthur's historical legend get mocked by society ?
kayy : )
2009-10-11 11:26:15 UTC
basically I have been studying the life and death of the famous King Arthur. As you may or may not know, many movies and books have been written that parody the legends of King Arthur. For example, “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” is a movie based around the mocking of the search by King Arthur’s knights for the Holy Grail.

Why do you think modern society would mock this historical legend? Do you think that the stories of King Arthur are far-fetched enough to create humor? Do you think that the legend of King Arthur deserves such mockery?

Please give examples.
thanksss !
Eight answers:
Shamanistic
2009-10-11 11:43:03 UTC
There is so much fantasy associated with the stories people see on a regular basis that they can't bring themselves to believe it. Thus, they make fun of it and criticize what they really don't understand.

Look at the lady in the lake. "watery tart gives a guy a sword and he is king?" LOL. I laugh at that, thank you Monty Python. However, if you read the lore around this much is embelished and full of metaphors. Most people won't take the time to read the full inventory of reference material to fully understand the story. Thus, their ignorance won't allow them to appreciate the legend or history.

Take Shakespear for instance. He wrote beautiful comedy and tragedy. If you take the time to research and understand the language in it you will find much more enjoyment then without.

Example: In the scene where Juliette is a small child, falls down landing on her back. The man (of whom I do not remember his name atm. ) laughs saying, "She cries now but someday the lass will enjoy falling on her back." (not word for word paraphrase) He means someday she will enjoy laying on her back for sex. This makes the line and situation more comical but most just see she falls down. Not the meaning behind the old mans words.

Same goes for Aurthurian legend. If people understood the background the society around it they would maybe enjoy it more and mock it less.
jplatt39
2009-10-11 13:19:43 UTC
Put it this way. Poet Robert Graves, in his generally sympathetic introduction to a translation of the Morte D'Arthur pointed out a reason for his popularity beyond Wales may have been that he rode a horse and hated the Saxons. Now the Plantagenets, who ruled that part of England and France where he became popular, were Normans who had conquered Saxons and rode horses. They picked up the tales, apparently, from the Bretons, who were basically Celts who had fled Britain with the Saxon Invasion -- in other words, though this oversimplifies, displaced Welshmen.



Anyhow since Plantagenet times Arthur and his Knights have been held up as exemplars of how the ruling class should behave. This was in fact the whole nature of the stories until Tennyson's Idylls of the King, which was both a continuation of it in modern times and a transition to modern views of him.



The character has been revised, thoroughly, many times since his days as a folk hero for the welsh as this old poem will show:



http://www.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/annwn.htm



reconciling THAT Arthur with the one in Sir Thomas Mallory or Wolfram Von Eschenbach even would be very difficult and Marion Zimmer Bradley or Mary Stewart? Hah.



In a very real sense people are saying openly what many people have felt throughout modern history, and Monty Python and the Holy Grail essentially appeared at a moment where the British could face class resentments in ALL their myths. As the Harry Potter books show, class distinctions are alive and well in Britain, and you have to understand Arthur and Robin Hood as opposite exemplars -- Arthur is about the justice of the Ruling Class while Robin Hood is about the defense of the realm from its corruption.



There is not much left of Arthur in ANY conventional tales. For more than a thousand years he has been the vehicle for the propaganda of the ruling classes. Remember that.
anonymous
2009-10-11 12:29:51 UTC
Kay sweetheart, you need to develop a sense of humour!

But, it IS well known that many non english people find Monty Python humourless. It was pretty much an 'english thing'.



Other than that Monty Pythons film(which was nothing unusual - their style was to mock everything! One could say that in that film, they mocked the French, the English, witches, rabbits, the police...the list goes on!), I know of no other public 'mocking' of the legend of King Arthur.

Could you offer a few more examples to substantiate your claim of "Why do you think modern society would mock this historical legend?" please? Other than the ones you ask for of course - I mean, you MUST have more surely? No-one would seriously base such an opinion upon one film, made by well known comedians - would they...!?



Besides, there is yet no real proof that he was anything other than a fictional character. Although personally, I'd love him to have been real and for none of the stories to have been embellished to leave out the bad bits(as all legends of real people do).
Kthxbye
2009-10-11 11:44:27 UTC
As you apparently do not know, many more books, films, plays, and television shows have been produced that treat the legend with varying degrees of respect. In fact, aside from "Holy Grail," I'd be hard-pressed to think of very many parodies. Most of what I've seen treat the legend well.



It's not some sort of sacred cow that has to be worshiped. It's a legend with possibly a modicum of historic fact behind it.



Does it deserve "such mockery?" Sure, why not? It's just a story.
aida
2009-10-11 12:42:22 UTC
(1) We're told at an early age that Arthur is just a fictional character. Only when we get really interested and delve into the legend do we learn the bits of truth behind it.



(2) To Monte Python, nothing is sacred.



(3) Many people find the high ideals of the Round Table, especially as depicted by later writers such as Tennyson, simply absurd. (I've oberved that it's hard for anyone to believe that others to live by higher standards than he does.)
Helvella
2009-10-11 12:21:37 UTC
The world is an awfully large place. i believe in the stories of King Arthur an awful lot. the world has changed a lot and history is just a way to cover grisly details that they don't want us to see.



saying this anything could be real... at least i believe.



king arthur does not deserve this mockery. he was a kind and just king who brought wealth to his land. if the sword Excalibur could be found today, the earth would fail, there is so much evil now.







LONG LIVE KING ARTHUR!!!!!!and his memory and deeds
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2014-09-15 23:02:08 UTC
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anonymous
2009-10-11 11:31:28 UTC
Wellllll.



Knights riding around attacking dragsons. Hmmmm. Well.



A king bein a king cuz he pulled out a sword from a stone. Hmmmm. Well.



Yeah.



Fail.


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