Question:
why can't Vampires and werewolves/shapeshifters get along?
Anastasia
2010-07-04 23:34:31 UTC
and no I'm not talking about the Twilight stuff... I'm talking about us real vampires and the werewolves.
21 answers:
Lord Bearclaw of Gryphon Woods
2010-07-05 05:25:10 UTC
Vampires DO NOT exist, and this can be proven with the application of logic, critical thinking skills, and verified scientific and medical data:



1. Vampires, defined as a humanoid being that MUST consume blood or energy to survive do not exist. Cut and paste time, as it is too much work to type this out over and over and I "recycle" my own answers instead of retyping them so here goes. A brief discussion of the human digestive system and then the probable vampire population given an exponential growth rate should explain why vampires are not possible.



2. The human body is not designed to process large amounts of blood for nutrition. There is not enough protein, carbohydrates, and fats present in blood to maintain a complex creature such as Homo Sapiens or any theorized offshoot mutations. When a human ingests food it is first broken up into a bolus by chewing, then churned up in the stomach with digestive juices to form a mass called chyme. It then passes through the pylorus into the duodenum, part of the small intestine where it mixes with bile salts and secretions from the pancreas and liver which continue breaking it down on a molecular basis, mostly affecting fats at this point. The broken down nutrients pass through the wall of the intestines and into the bloodstream where they are carried to each cell or stored for later use. Indigestible bulk continues through the intestines, turning a dark brown from the bile. Water is absorbed from this mass in the large intestine depending on the needs of the body - a well-hydrated person will usually have a softer stool than a dehydrated person will. Water also enters the bloodstream, and this is what helps to maintain blood pressure. The pressure tends to balance itself in a healthy person because the bloodstream goes through a formation in the kidney called the Loop of Henle, where the narrowing blood vessel forces excess water and cellular waste such as urea out through the cellular wall into the kidneys, where it is excreted through the ureters into the bladder, and then out of the body via the urethral passageway.



3. IMPORTANT - A person physically unable to process his own food for nutrition therefore also could not process blood - it's the same process. Ingested blood does not transmit directly to the veins anyway - it would be chemically broken down by the digestive system.



4. Theoretical ingestion of blood to supply these nutrients would therefore have to occur at least once a day, and would require the ingestion of the entire blood supply which could not happen as the stomach is far too small to hold that much liquid volume. Hold up your clenched fist - under normal conditions your stomach is about that size. Furthermore, such a mass would be difficult to pass thru the intestines as it has no fibrous bulk, would create an intestinal impaction, causing massive vomiting from the large concentration of iron present, and any "real" vampire would have to eventually expel the waste, which would come out as a black, tarry, smelly goo, just as stool does when blood is present from a upper GI bleed.



5. These humans that affect the whole "vampiric lifestyle" are NOT vampires. They are simply humans playing their own little game, in their own little fantasy world, usually pandering to their own little sexual fetish, which may or may not actually be sexual. I too, play my own little game, in the SCA, but mine is a game where the deeds that I do are determined by the strength of my arm and sword - I am a warrior, with just as much skill and ability as any warrior of ancient times. The difference is that I am claiming to be something physically possible: a warrior, and I prove it everytime I strap on my armor and walk onto a SCA battlefield. The so-called "vampires" are claiming to be something physically impossible: a walking corpse, and all they prove is that black Victorian clothing, a pair of false fangs, and a little makeup make for a good Halloween costume - it does not make you a vampire



6. Even if a vampire feeds once a week, and his victim also becomes a vampire, that is exponential growth, with four iterations a month. First iteration: One makes one, total two. Second iteration: Two make two, total four. Third iteration: Four make four, total eight. Fourth iteration: Eight make eight, total sixteen. 16 vampires at the end of one month, 256 at the end of the second month, 4096 by the end of the third month, 65,536 by the end of the fourth month, 1,048,476 at the end of the fifth, and 33,572,832 vampires at the end of half a year! By way of comparison, there are currently approximately 33 million people who have HIV/AIDS and the disease is a world-wide epidemic. I see people every day in the hospital with AIDS, but never has there been one documented case of a vampire attack. Do the math - vampires are a mathematical impossibility.



As for the idea that vampires existed "a long time ago" consider the estimated global population5,000 years ago - using the above mathematical rationale, a single vampire could have converted every human on the globe in less than six months. This falls therefore, under the logic of Occam's Razor - which states that when you have removed every impossible answer, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. Since there is no "vampiric plague" swarming the earth, the logical deduction is that they don't exist.



7. Point of clarification about "vampire" bats: vampire is simply the name we have given them because they do drink blood, same as a flea, mosquito, leech, or spider. Are these creatures vampires? No. They are living creatures, not legendary monsters. They can subsist on blood because of their smaller size and proportionately larger stomach volume. Drinking blood does not make you a vampire anymore than eating raw meat makes you a werewolf, although it might make you a mosquito.



8.The humans who profess to be vampires are victims of an all-encompassing self induced delusion. They are as human as you or I, regardless of their claims, and if they ingest HIV tainted blood they can most certainly contract the disease, esp. if they have any cuts, sores, or lesions in and or around their mouth. It is a very dangerous delusion to be laboring under. Note that there is absolutely no scientific or medical proof that these people derive any benefit at all from the ingestion of blood, and even worse are the so-called "psychic" vampires, because their delusion is one that they cannot substantiate with any concrete evidence at all.



9. There is no "vampire" gene. People are not "born" as vampires. When a woman goes to the hospital for prenatal care there are many tests done on mother and child, even while still in the womb, to check for many things, including genetic anomalies that result in deformities and birth defects. If such a gene existed, in today's world with today's technology it would have been found - we have already completely sequenced the human genome. It would also have to follow Mendel's law of dominant/recessive gene theory. Again, the odds on that many "vampires" all escaping the notice of the medical/scientific community are so low as to be almost nonexistent. The idea that there is a global "vampire community" engaging in controlled breeding to keep the "bloodline pure" is delusional in the extreme.



10. There is no "vampire virus" - as I have already pointed out, HIV is a virus, and look at how fast it has spread - virtually everyone knows someone with the affliction. According to the "vampire websites" there are "thousands" of vampires running around. If that was so then at least one of them has ended up in a hospital for bloodwork when they became pregnant, had a bloodborne infection, was injured in a car wreck, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The anomaly would have been detected and medical science would have isolated it, studied it, applied for research grants on it, published papers on it, and turned it into the talk of the medical and scientific community, as well as making its "discoverers" celebrities and rich beyond their dreams. A virus cannot alter your DNA in such a radical fashion without killing you.
Acuna Bane
2010-07-09 04:59:37 UTC
well it all goes back to dracula. back then the only thing that could kill a vampire was a werewolf. and since then it has been an on going war. over the years people think that the two fighting make for some good movies and they do. im talking about underworld. but it's always been a thing about vampires and werewolves they fight they dont make nice. its like cats and dogs. me i dont mide a good fight but when underworld combined the two now that was good.
kilroymaster
2010-07-05 22:42:34 UTC
In the creation of vampires and werewolves they both were cursed in some very bad way and they were also cursed to be natural enemies towards each other... Now yes they are both demonically controlled and yes they are also both paranormal creatures but they both draw their powers from different sources within the paranormal and they both feed off of mankind... And all animals that feed off of the same type of food have a natural hatred towards each other.... Also there have been several cases where a vampire and a werewolf wanted to feed off of the same person and they started fighting each other that the person that they wanted to feed off of escaped from the both of them and lived to tell their story........ That can be read in the freedom of information act but no where else that is open to the general public.....................
Commons
2010-07-05 07:48:56 UTC
Some can if we choose to, my pack is friends with Vampires, wizards, and etc. Twilight makes it seem as if we can't, ***** twilight, ruined my image, now days when I just wanna freak people out about the werewolf thing, they say, "Oh, stop with the twilight, that stuff ain't real." Then I say something that would make them sleep with the lights on, then leave.
anonymous
2010-07-06 19:03:28 UTC
dont know about you but i get along with vampires just fine. they dont bother us and we dont bother them. this isnt twilight where we are feuding. we are just fine with eachother. sure there will be individual fights but werewolves and vampires do that amongst there own kind too. you cant blame a few fights on the whole kind.
Zane
2010-07-05 19:25:43 UTC
Eh... Says who? I mean, I have ample evidence to support my strong belief in the non-existence of werewolves; however those who believe themselves to be such I get along with quite well. I've never had any major discrepencies with them, really. I simply respect their opinion of believing they are something that doesn't exist and they respect my opinion of believing that werewolves are a physical and metaphysical impossibility -- other than that, all that I've met are fine.





~Best of wishes,

Zane and Azaria
insane
2010-07-06 19:55:37 UTC
it is a war that has gone on for longer than anyone can remember.



some say it is like a family feud, others say it is between two different groups entirely.



every time we start to get along someone says or does something to get it all started up again.



i know it is not much of an explanation, but since i am not really sure what really started it i can't say.
anonymous
2010-07-05 07:01:52 UTC
this comes from both me and my sister

we deal with these creatures a lot

but i think people have to see with their own eyes before they believe but after the things me and my sister have seen, its hard to say they are not real.



anyway

we are not sure why they dont get along, it comes from deep roots in their past. but we just dont know whats happened

we got a situation over here where i live where they are on the edge of fighting

we have to keep the wolves at bay because thats the ones that will listen

and the others wont attack if they dont have to
Lyprith
2010-07-05 13:15:42 UTC
They CAN and DO get along just fine. And we find it increasingly amusing when people think that we're just like in the movies, down to the stupid political/social structure the media projects onto the Movie/Tv versions which some people can't discern from reality.
anonymous
2010-07-05 07:54:28 UTC
har de har har har

well you see that they do not exist in real life they are strictly on paper and celluloid and no place else. We can make them get a long because they are pretend. Actors pretending to be them. Anything else is a hallucination of yours.
Lady Silver Rose * Wolf
2010-07-05 10:59:54 UTC
Yet more stereotypes ~ I get along quite fine with Vampires.



Of course, it depends on the types of Vampire and Werewolf...

{yes, there are more than one 'breed' of each}
anonymous
2010-07-05 06:43:53 UTC
That's what I question as well. I mean they practically have a lot of things in common. They can all appear in a human body as well.
Fox.
2010-07-05 22:10:11 UTC
They are mentioned in the same contexts in other stories?
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2010-07-05 06:36:33 UTC
same reason elementary kids cannot get along... Drama. everyone needs some
Diggn4richez2
2010-07-05 06:36:32 UTC
Agreed.



Maybe it's just a political thing.
Paladin
2010-07-06 03:02:02 UTC
it ruins the plot
Ever
2010-07-06 05:31:12 UTC
It's the age old question... Will we ever know? *sighs*



:P
Allyssa
2010-07-05 06:38:33 UTC
Gosh I know what you mean!!! Life suckz!!!!!!
Wolf Lord
2010-07-05 09:27:06 UTC
Who says we don't.
Some Bored Guy (Fat Man)
2010-07-05 14:20:13 UTC
Vampires are gay, you are gay.
rionix88
2010-07-07 21:21:59 UTC
no they cant.

why would they?


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