Question:
Why is Greek Mythology so confusing?
2014-07-18 06:48:03 UTC
It's no secret that Greek mythology is difficult to sort out. There are people who have the same name, same people with the same name who did quite the same things, and I get confused about who I'm trying to focus on.

Question: Did Kronos cut his father to bits before his war with the Titans, or after, or during? There is one story where Aphrodite looks for sanctuary on an island of Rhodes, ruled by six of Poseidon's sons..........., did it take a while for Aphrodite to be born then?, Poseidon couldn't have had children when Aphrodite was born, he wasn't even born yet, and he was locked away in his fathers stomach for years when he was born.

I just find so many errors with these myths, the dates don't add up, they contradict stuff. I know there were several different writers of Greek myths so it doesn't add up some times.
Six answers:
Alexandros
2014-07-18 19:49:02 UTC
VARIANT TRADITIONS & WHATNOT

There were various different traditions from the myriad ethnic groups of ancient Greece, a lot of which traditions were influenced by neighbouring cultures. The different mythographers - i.e., the guys who recorded these myths which are the source material from which we read them today - interpreted these different traditions in different ways as best they understood them, because often it was confusing even to them. The mythology of Greece itself is sort of a mishmash of stuff inherited or borrowed from Mesopotamia, northern Africa and most likely India too, and if you've read even a few of the myths of those places, they're like 22 times more confusing than almost any Greco-Roman myth.



Interestingly a few of the mythographers did not believe the more “fantastical” elements of their own people’s myths and so sought to either explain them away as allegories for or exaggerations of more “realistic” events using their own ingenuity (like Euhemeros, who did this to the extent that, from his name, this method/process of rationalising myths and legends is called euhemerism), or they simply paid more attention to the less fantastical traditions than those which were more so (like the traveller Pausanias did). Pausanias notes the phenomenon of numerous traditions when he writes about Zeus’ birthplace, saying that “It is a hopeless task, however zealously undertaken, to enumerate all the peoples who claim that Zeus was born and brought up among them.”



To sort through the thick forest of duplicated names & multiple versions of most characters of the mythology, I’ve personally found these sites to be extremely helpful as primers (since they catalogue the personages and events quite neatly and tidily but also keep things basic while satisfactorily detailed at the same time):

http://www.maicar.com/GML/index.html

http://www.mythindex.com/

An often helpful companion to these is Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology although beware: I’ve found incorrect information 1 or 2 times in the separate articles on individual characters. The articles, however, are often very good with referencing the exact source materials from which the information they contain is derived.



And if you really want to go into crazy detail, with extensive quotes of the original mythographers, translated into English, of course you’ll want to go here: http://www.theoi.com



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CHRONOLOGY

In spite of the multiplicity of traditions, versions and accounts, and arguments for or against each one depending who was writing or talking about them, Greco-Roman mythology does have its own rather tightly-woven internal chronology, even taking into account the few characters who would need to have gone through a time-warp to exist in the eras in which they are said to have lived. Here are some breakdowns of the timeline of these myths, based on medieval and modern interpretations of which period in history the events of the mythology would have happened if they did:

http://www.maicar.com/GML/MythicalChronology.html

http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/history/clam.html

http://www.argyrou.eclipse.co.uk/Myths2.htm



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BIRTHS, DETHRONEMENTS & MORE BIRTHS

Concerning the events you’ve asked about specifically, this is how things went down:

The first twelve Titans, the three Cyclopes and the three Hekatonkheires were born. Fearful of them, their father Ouranos (the Sky) shoved them back into their mother’s womb, preventing their full emergence. In her pain, their mother Gaia (the Earth) conspired with the Titans against Ouranos, giving a cosmic-sized sickle to Kronos, the youngest Titan and the one most eager to lash out against his father. Kronos did *not* cut Ouranos to pieces. He only castrated him. The other Titans, with the exception of Okeanos, helped their brother by stretching their father’s limbs out. This action separated Sky from Earth.



Just as fearful of his younger brothers, the Cyclopes and the Hekatonkheires, as their father had been, Kronos imprisoned them in Tartaros, the deepest part of the Underworld. Kronos also threw Ouranos’ severed genitalia into the Sea. As Ouranos was rising off the Earth, thus allowing his eighteen children to finally be born, the Sky-god cursed Kronos saying that he too would be overthrown by his own offspring. This is the reason that Kronos became fearful of his own children and swallowed them at birth. The Titans’ War did not happen until some time later, after Zeus, the youngest child of Kronos and Rhea, had grown up and tricked his father into vomiting the older offspring whom he had earlier swallowed.



Most of the younger Titans (Zeus’ cousins and the kids and grandkids of these cousins) then flocked to Zeus’ camp to do battle against their own fathers, uncles and grandfathers, and there was war which raged for nine years, apparently in the Plain of Thessalia [Thessaly]. Neither side made much progress against the other until Zeus released his uncles, the Cyclopes and the Hekatonkheires, from Tartaros, and with their additional help Zeus won the war and cast Kronos into Tartaros.



In the meantime, Ouranos genitals, which had landed in the Sea years before, had now mixed with the salt and foam therein, forming the beautiful goddess Aphrodite. She spent the first many years of her life in the Sea, where she was reared by the marine nymphs. Courtesy of Diodoros of Sicily, we can deduce that she spent the entire duration of the Titans’ War in the Sea, perhaps never having met any of the Olympians whose group she would eventually join. Diodoros says that “at the time when Zeus is said to have subdued the Titans” he and a Rhodian nymph called Himalia had three sons named Spartaios, Kronios and Kytos. When these guys were still young men, their unnamed cousins, the six sons of Poseidon whom you’ve mentioned, lived on the same island, and it was at that time that Aphrodite first came to Rhodes.



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SO SOME MORE CHRONOLOGY

With this information we can construct a nicely plausible timeline, even using short, humanly normal timeframes:

- Sometime in between 42,000 & 32,000 BC, Kronos castrates Ouranos and casts the severed member into the Sea.

- 3 years later Kronos and his wife Rhea have had 6 children, all of whom have been swallowed, with the exception of Zeus whom Rhea has managed to hide away from his father.

- 20 years later Zeus tricks Kronos into vomiting the 5 older children, who are Zeus’ older siblings.

- 1 year later the Titans’ War begins.

- 9 years pass and the war ends in Kronos’ defeat. In the same year, on an unnamed Aegean island, both Zeus and Poseidon have children. Zeus has 3 sons with Himalia while Poseidon has 6 sons and 1 daughter with Halia.

- 20 years later Poseidon’s sons name the island Rhodes after their sister Rhodos. In the same year, Aphrodite tries to put in anchor upon passing by the island but she is rebuffed by the Rhodians. Consequences follow, which is another story.



Tallying that all up, it = 53 years from the time of Ouranos’ castration up to Aphrodite’s emergence from the Sea (or her “birth” as it is often, perhaps misleadingly, called). I don’t think it’s mentioned anywhere how long it took for Ouranos’ severed member to metamorphose into a beautiful goddess. It could have taken 26 years so that she thereafter spent 27 years growing up in the Sea, or it could’ve been 9 months so that she was just over 52 when she first appeared on dry land… but then again what difference would such an amount of time make to an immortal entity?



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THIS “DEMIGOD” THING…

As for your final question, the use of the term “demigod” here is particularly problematic, especially with the modern pop culture misinterpretation or oversimplification thereof, I mean in a manner in which the ancient Greeks (and Romans) would barely have understood or used the designation. There are many characters in the original mythology who were the children of a god and a nymph, or would have been the mortal offspring of two immortals. Do these ones qualify as “demigods” to you? If the sons of Zeus and Himalia, and those of Poseidon and Halia, count as demigods, then, incidentally they are the only such children of gods who were born around the time of the Titans’ War that I’ve encountered in Greek myth.



Since you’ve asked specifically about children being had *during* the war, however, for these guys to fit into that 9-year time-slot, we’d have to interpret the line “at the time when Zeus is said to have subdued the Titans” to mean “at the time when Zeus is said to have still been in the process of subduing the Titans” (i.e., while the war was still ongoing)… which I doubt is the meaning actually intended by Diodoros here.



So maybe a shorter and more straightforward answer to that last question is: No, there doesn’t appear to be any instance of the gods having any such children during the war against Kronos.



NB: About Spartaios, Kronios and Kytos: They don’t seem to be mentioned anywhere else, and beyond their location and their description as “young men,” Diodoros never tells us what exactly they were. The same passage may be suggesting that they were giants but whether mortal or immortal is hard to say. We also don’t know what kind of nymph their mother Himalia was; we know there were many varieties of nymph, some of whom were immortal goddesses (like Rhodos) while others were mortal, almost human creatures (like Rhodos' mother Halia seems to have been). In fact the term “demigod” is more accurately applicable to nymphs as opposed to the currently popular use of the same.
?
2014-07-18 08:35:00 UTC
You lack the cultural advantages of knowing what their life was like, and why their explanations are the way they are. Aphrodite was said to be born when Cronus was castrated by Zeus, his semen fell into the sea and Aphrodite arose from it. This is in all likelihood due to Aphrodite being a Sumerian goddess who came to Greece with Phoenician traders (originally Inanna) as her name means "born of sea foam". Cross cultural interactions brought many of the Greek gods to Olympus as their worship spread to Greece, and thus some gods and goddesses are not precise fits to the Greek worldview
?
2014-07-18 07:03:16 UTC
The ancient Greeks had many writers, often with conflicting versions of the same story. And then the Romans added to many of the stories during the Roman era. In the most famous version of her myth, Aphrodite was the consequence of a castration: Cronus severed Uranus' genitals (prior to the war of the Titans) and threw them behind him into the sea. The foam from his genitals gave rise to Aphrodite (hence her name, meaning "foam-arisen"). While this is the most common version of her birth, it does make the timeline confusing. Coming from Uranus (basically she is a daughter of Uranus), she was still considered an Olympian, who would have been a generation behind her. And technically, being the same generation as Cronus, she is a titan.
BBagwinds
2014-07-18 07:01:08 UTC
In the case of Greek myths as with any other body of myth, the compilers/writers were from different backgrounds and had different aims, all of which was compounded by the fact that they were compiled over a very long period of time. During that long stretch of time Greek culture varied markedly and was under the influence of other cultures depending on what was going on in the world at the time.

Added to all that is the fact that some of these myths were recorded or reworked by Roman writers, again, according to their own culture and their aims.
?
2014-07-18 06:56:47 UTC
Well, it's not just that there were different writers. Greek Mythology as a coherent system of stories wasn't even a thing in the minds of the Greeks. Some of what we call Greek mythology was based on the literature of their day - Homer's Iliad and the Odyssey, Athenian tragedy, etc. These works drew on traditional figures and stories, but gave them their own spin. (Think about how the two different Spider-Man movies series, the comics, Ultimate Spider-Man, all the TV shows, etc. are all about the same character but don't actually create a single coherent universe.)



Other stories that we call Greek Mythology are traditional legends, tales and art work associated with Greek religious practices. These myths were originally local tales, and so don't necessarily cohere.



No one really tried to sort out the conflicting elements until the 200s BC, when mythographers like Apollodorus in Alexandria tried. Modern mythographers are just following this late trend.
Leo
2014-07-18 06:50:04 UTC
because it is greek mythology


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